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Re: BSL
Mon, June 11, 2007 - 7:54 PMI don't remember where, but there is one state that is banning Labradors and Goldens as "dangerous dogs." Scary. -
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Re: BSL
Mon, June 11, 2007 - 8:02 PMyep and just like this video shows......Pomeranians could easily be next; its not far-fetched at all. Breed Specific Legislation is the same as Racism.
www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: BSL
Mon, June 11, 2007 - 9:18 PMI believe that Fairfield, Iowa has an ordinance stating that any dog in excess of 100 lbs is to be considered as a "dangerous dog." I'm sure my dog could do some serious damage, but that doesn't mean that he would. He won't even go after a snake. I think he'd only go after something if it was hurting our family,and he'd do a whole lot of barking first LOL.
Totally unfair that someone with a wonderful dog like I have would have to keep him tied up and totally kenneled when outside and muzzled when he was walked in town. Law makers are psycho...any dog has the extreme potential to be dangerous if not raised properly, and the sad thing is that most people really don't know how to socialize and train their animals. Loving one's animal from the heart is not the same as loving it enough to make sure that it doesn't turn into Cujo :) -
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Re: BSL
Mon, June 11, 2007 - 10:02 PMWhat's even more disgusting is that Benld, Illinois is discussing banning all dogs over 15 lbs!
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Re: BSL
Tue, June 12, 2007 - 1:15 PMhate sound like an alarmist - but hsus and peta really need to be watched - -
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Re: BSL
Tue, June 12, 2007 - 1:33 PMYes, this is EXACTLY why I don't support PETA. They are a bunch of radical extremists. -
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Re: BSL
Tue, June 12, 2007 - 2:12 PMMspurity and Barsnake, if you really want to, we can turn this in to a referndum on PETA with no problem. If you want to keep attacking them, I am here more than willing to defend them. However, I do not think this is what the OP is about and the original poster may not appreciate the hijack. Therefore, I suggest you stay on topic and save your attacks for your own thread. I am a memeber of PETA and just had to defend Pits on another site I belong to. A friend just got bit by one yesterday breaking up a dog fight and the second she mentioned the breed it was all anyone could focus on.
We had a pit bull for 13 years. It was by far the best behaved dog we ever had. Pit bulls get a bad rap because of irresponsible owners.
It's not about the breed, it's the owner. Small dogs bite more than any, but they don't get reported. When one of my dogs was attacked and almost killed it was a Korean dog. Before that, when I was attacked saving him and my another of my dogs, it was a boxer. I was in bed for two days and on crutches for two weeks. Rotties have a horrible reputation as well. While I was growing up for years, decades maybe, German Shepherds and Dobies had the worst bite records. When people train their dogs to be aggressive, on purpose or by accident, they attack. If pit's stopped existing today, those people would move back to Rotties or Dobies, or twenty other breeds. Those owners need to be held accountable, either financially or criminally.
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 10:24 AMi do not feel i am hijacking this thread...
misguided legislators are being advised and their opinions are being swayed by animal rights groups such as peta anf hsus. these grooups are not in favor of pet ownership of any kind and they have powerful lobby groups that propose breed specific laws and advocating ownership rights as has been demonstrated by changing verbiage from animal owner to animal guardian.
i agree with you that it is not an animal problem - but an owner problem.
my intent in mentioning peta was - in my opinion they are responsible for these bsl. -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 10:39 AMthese quotes were in a forum that is trying to defeat a mandatory spay and neuter bill working through ca legislature - i think it is obvious what these groups intend...
"One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. They are creations of human selective breeding." Wayne Pacelle,
Senior VP of Humane Society of the US, Animal People
"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." John Bryant, PETA
"As John Bryant has written in his book Fettered Kingdoms, they [pets] are like slaves, even if well-kept slaves." PETA's Statement on Companion Animals.
"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete
jungles--from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it." John Bryant, PETA -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 11:22 AMBarSnake,
I creaded a new thread on PETA, would you mind copying this info into it? I think it would be useful to share it.
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 12:14 PMBarSnake, PETA is against all animals as pets, not just dogs and cats but birds and snakes and ferrets too. None of that has anything to do with BSL. PETA is not in favor of dogs being muzzled, or kept in pens. BSL is. Mandatory spay and neuter is not BSL. If you go to the hearings on BSL you will not find them full of PETA members, but of people who are fearful and ignorant. People who like to wave red flags and incite people.
I'm a member of PETA and like most, have several companion animals, a cat and four dogs (one is a foster). All of them are altered. Any dog or cat I share my home with in the future will be altered. I never have to allow a dog or cat to breed and will have an almost never ending supply of new ones. Guess why? There are thousands and thousands in the dog pounds waiting to die.
That's why "these groups" want the S & N bill. That's why so many people who are fighting puppy mills and who work in rescue who are NOT members of PETA want the S & N bill. They are sick and tired of seeing animals killed. That's got nothing to do with BSL.
BSL is about getting Specific Breeds outlawed. No less than that. That's why one of the anti BSL mottos is "Punish the deed, not the breed." Ignorant people take a story they've heard or an event they've witnessed and turn and paint every other individual in the group with the same broad brush.
From the site in the OP, "About Breed Specific Legislation...
It is the responsibility of every dog owner to educate people about their chosen breed. As you will see from the information on this site, my chosen breed is the wonderful misunderstood Pit Bull! In reviewing BSL laws there are many breeds effected and only more to come without proper education. Every 10 years or so there is a new "bad" breed. In the 70's it was the Doberman, 90's the Rottiweilers, 00's it's the Pit Bull. Who's next? It could be any powerful breed. "
PETA has never been in favor of banning a specific breed of dogs nor holding a specific breed of dogs to a different standard than others, nor restricting a specific breed of dogs in any way. Chained dogs account for 25% of all fatal attacks. PETA has had a campaign to end keeping dogs chained for years. Overwhelmingly the dogs involved in fatal attacks were unaltered males. PETA has had a campaign to S & N dogs for years. PETA has not been going after the dogs, PETA has always fought to keep the animals from being held as scapegoats for the misbehavior of their guardians.
From Understand a bull (www.understand-a-bull.com/BSL/F...g.pdf)
"While at times informative, statistics on fatal dog attacks can also be misleading. For example, a number of cases were a Pit Bull,
Rottweiler or GSD were counted as causing a human fatality were in reality the direct result of gross human negligence or criminal intent
(i.e. discarding a newborn in the yard where the dogs were kept, or cases of extremely emaciated animals, or cases were the dog was
ordered or encouraged to attack the victim)."
PETA has always fought negligence, animal abuse, or using animals as weapons. In short , PETA is not the problem. Again, ignorant people are the problem. -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 3:00 PMFrom PETA's website:
"Before founding PETA, Ingrid Newkirk spent many years as the chief of Animal Disease Control and as the director of an animal shelter in the District of Columbia. During this time, she initiated the first spay-and-neuter program in our nation's capital. She faced dangerous situations every day in an effort to help abused and neglected dogs, risking her safety countless times in the alleys and slums of Washington, D.C. She rescued pit bulls from people who beat and starved them, chained them to metal drums as "guard" dogs, or trained them to attack people and other animals. Pit bulls are the most abused breed of dog, and it is the relentless abuse of these dogs at the hands of cruel people that motivates our efforts to stop people from bringing more pit bulls into the world to be hurt and exploited."
Sounds to me like they are for Pitbull bans. -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 3:22 PMSound to me like Ingrid Newkirk doesn' t think those people in DC could be trusted with them and sounds to me like she was right. That has nothing to do with having them wear muzzles and being penned up. -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 4:38 PMBSL isn't just about muzzling and penning them. It's about BANNING them altogether. Just look at what happened in Denver. If you owned a pit, it was taken from you and euthanized. -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 6:08 PMIngrid Newkirk needs to step down (as I've said repeatedly) so that the PETA organization can return to some normalcy.
workingpitbull.com/truthaboutpeta.htm
!!!!!! I CANNOT imagine living in Denver and having some fucking creep come to take my dog and euthanize it - how devastating !!!!! -
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Re: BSL
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 7:47 PMOh my God what a load of crap.
Oh and here's some inforrmation on Diane Jessup:
"3840. Diane Jessup's favorite "org" ARRESTED FOR FELONY EMBEZZLEMENT!
by luvmybirds, 10/29/05 21:44 ET
Diane Jessup, will you be attending the trial for your FAVORITE CHARITY DIRECTOR?? Arrested on FELONY EMBEZZLEMENT CHARGES?!
Diane Jessup and Kristine Crawford are tight: Diane Jessup speaks through her websitewww.workingpitbull.com and asks for all donations on her website to be sent to Kristine Crawford'swww.forpitsaake.org.
The problem is,www.forpitsaake.org is NOT a registered non-profit and its founder has been arrested on embezzlement. Go towww.guidestar.org to confirm OR check out the federal IRS charity search engine apps.irs.gov/app/pub78. No listing.
Diane Jessup asks for donations to be made to a non-profit that doesn't exist. Why? Where is that money going? Diane, can YOU tell us? WHILE Kris Crawford asks for donations to be made in HER name, not the "nonprofit".
That's because none exists.
I thought I would let you know that in August (Diane Jessup's choice for donations) was arrested, fingerprinted, and booked on September 22, 2005. Crawford was arraigned in criminal court, San Mateo County Courthouse, for embezzlement. Her pretrial is 11/03/2005 at 1:30PM
Case name: Kristine R. Crawford Case number: SM341062A
Charges:
001 PC 508/487(A) 01 PC 17 002 PC 508
Violation date: 09/28/2004
PC 487(a) - 1997. 487a. (a) Every person who shall feloniously steal, take, transport or carry the carcass of any bovine (cattle), caprine (goat), equine (horse), ovine (sheep), or suine (pig) animal or of any mule, jack or jenny, which is the personal property of another, or who shall fraudulently appropriate such property which has been entrusted to him, is guilty of grand theft.
Pretrial - 11/03/2005 at 1:30PM in Redwood City in Dept. PT for pretrial conference
Jury Trial - 11/28/2005 at 9AM in Redwood City in Dept. JT for Jury Trial.
www.sanmateocourt.org/midx/se..._tim.php Or, go straight to www.co.sanmateo.ca.us/smc/cou..._2126,00 .html
Enter her name: CRAWFORD, Kristine Enter her case number: SM341062 Or, go directly to: www.sanmateocourt.org/midx/st...im9.php. It may route you back to the uniform page, where you may have to do the above, but that is the URL I am looking at now.
SM341062 RWC D CRAWFORD, KRISTINE 08-22-2005 CJIS
Diane Jessup continues to ask for donations to be made to this person charged of felony theft - and to be clear, this is not related to Crawford's previous January Atherton PD detainment, or her civil case pending (Kelly Falconer v. Crawford for fraud, theft by deception, or computer hacking, instrusion, or related).
This is an entirely new and separate case. "
www.nola.com/forums/welcome/index.ssf -
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Re: BSL
Thu, June 14, 2007 - 7:09 AMSimple solution that would save all this:
*Mandatory spay/neuter
*Mandatory obedience classes
*Mandatory Canine Good Citizen passing test
*Licensing fees for breeders in line with their profits - only breeders that are actually breeders (ie paying taxes on their sales of dogs) would be eligible for an exemption from the spay/neuter regulation.
If ALL dogs were started out with the proper tools to live in our world, they would easily rise to the challenge.
Dogs are dogs - they bite, bark, jump, dig, hump and whatever else we don't find appropriate. It is up to us to learn to communicate with and to them. If we are to keep animals as companions, we owe it to them and everything & everyone they come in contact with to make them happy and safe. I disagree with BSL and PETA's stance on pets. I do however understand how we have gotten there. Nature vs nurture - it's not just about the owner, there are genetic factors that are equally important and cannot be ignored.
We owe it to our dogs to teach them, through positive associations, how to live in our world.
Oh yeah - Please try not to nit pick each other in a discussion forum. We don't have to agree with each other, but we do have to respect each other!
Oh yeah, again, as for the lack of non profit status on "for pits sake". I had worked with them quite a bit in California when I was still there. A lot of folks do a lot of rescue and education and can't jump through the hoops required for IRS recognition (including myself at the moment). This is not to defend any bad behavior, but lack of non profit status does not always mean they are not doing what they say they are doing. They adopted out and took in SO many dogs while I was there, I can't imagine they had stopped doing rescue. They are just an example of what is going on everywhere. In an ideal world they would be obsolete - as would I - which is or should be the ultimate goal. -
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Re: BSL
Thu, June 14, 2007 - 9:17 AMah, Dog Woman - a voice of reason thanks
and to be "nit picky" one last time:
I find NO correlation between mandated statements made by such organizations as PETA and Ingrid Newkirk (being against owning domesticated animals) and some charges made regarding misappropriated funds; the former is a clear doctrine and the latter is a legal mis-step
*note: I do NOT condone any actions done illegally - I'm comparing the two mindsets
I'm a very law abiding citizen -
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Re: BSL
Thu, June 14, 2007 - 3:31 PMOkay, so we all agree that mandatory spay/neuter is a good idea? What else is in the BSL that you object to, because the I don't object to pits in the slightest (one of our best dogs was a pit , not only breed to fight, but trained to buy the guy my brother got him from), and I have to defend them every time there's some news story or anecdotal incident where a pit (or some dog someone thought was a pit) is involved.
I've had one of my fosters bit by a pit in a dog park, but he was an unneutered male on a leash and both of those are an invitation to a fight in a dog park. I wasn't appalled by the dog, but by the owner, who refused to do everything he could to break up the fight and then gave false information afterward. Meanwhile, I had to go to the ER for dog bites when a neighbor's boxer came into my yard to try to fight with my chihuahuas. I was in bed for two days and on crutches for two weeks but had seen enough of the way that neighbor interacted with his dogs to place the blame squarely on the owners shoulders. After that, one of my dogs was bit and almost killed by a korean dog that another neighbor allows to wander the neighborhood freely. I've seen many, many fights and many many bites and never remember one time that I thought it was a "bad dog" with a "good owner."
and to be "nit picky" one last time:
I do find correlation between statements of principal taken out of context by one group's leader on one web site and statements illustrating close friendships with people guilty of moral turpitude by another group's leader on another.
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Re: BSL
Thu, June 14, 2007 - 3:32 PMSo, back to the BSL, what else is in there?
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