Hello all. I am really concerned about Rocky, my 5 year old boxer. He has been diagnosed with anxiety problems and is currently taking fluoxetine daily, which seems to be helping in most aspects. I have been dealing with this for years with him and have done test after test to find what the root of the problem is. He no longer gets upset when I leave and seems calmer in general, but he still pees in his sleep sometimes. It has been happening more frequently in the last month. Last night, I was cleaning the bedroom and watching some tv. Rocky was sleeping on the floor at the foot of the bed. A while later, I noticed that he had dribbled urine on the carpet. Not a lot, maybe a teaspoon or two. He was still sleeping soundly when I noticed it. I had to wake him to put him outside so I could clean it up. He has also wet his doggie bed several times in the last month. When that happens, it's usually a lot more urine, likely emptying his bladder. Could he be having bad dreams? I've done urinalyisis on him multiple times and it always comes back fine. We tested for diabetes insipidus and that was also negative. I got a second opinion about 2 years ago and that's when I finally resorted to the anxiety meds. I hate the idea of medicating him, but it does seem to be helping.
Nothing has changed in his environment in the last month. I work a lot, but I come home for lunch and generally set my own schedule, so he is not alone for long periods or anything. He is crated when I am gone, but my toy poodle always goes in with him. I had two crates for the longest time, but they insist on being together. We also have a weimaraner puppy crated next to them, but she's almost 5 months old now, so I don't think he's reacting to that. She doesn't sleep in the bedroom with us yet, so I just don't think that could be part of the problem. I have a mini zoo, but they all get along nicely and nothing has changed that I am aware of. I just hate to not know why Rocky is having these potty issues. Has anyone else had this problem? I will gladly do more testing if it would help, but I so far have spent tons of money and still have no answer. Ideas anyone?
Thanks in advance for any help. And feel free to ask questions if I wasn't clear about something. It's hard to give full background without writing a novel. :)
Nothing has changed in his environment in the last month. I work a lot, but I come home for lunch and generally set my own schedule, so he is not alone for long periods or anything. He is crated when I am gone, but my toy poodle always goes in with him. I had two crates for the longest time, but they insist on being together. We also have a weimaraner puppy crated next to them, but she's almost 5 months old now, so I don't think he's reacting to that. She doesn't sleep in the bedroom with us yet, so I just don't think that could be part of the problem. I have a mini zoo, but they all get along nicely and nothing has changed that I am aware of. I just hate to not know why Rocky is having these potty issues. Has anyone else had this problem? I will gladly do more testing if it would help, but I so far have spent tons of money and still have no answer. Ideas anyone?
Thanks in advance for any help. And feel free to ask questions if I wasn't clear about something. It's hard to give full background without writing a novel. :)
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Re: So frustrated! Pee issues.
Wed, June 13, 2007 - 8:03 AMHave you tried DAP? Dog appeasing pheromone is something nursing dogs produce and in a natural dog pack there's always a nursing mother. It keeps everyone calm. You can buy it in a diffuser that works like those air freshener you plug in and ignore for a month. I've had foster dogs and tons of friends dogs that it worked miracles for. I get it online at petvetdirect.com. That's the least expesive place I was able to find the real stuff. -
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 8:41 AMNo, I've never heard of that. Can you get it through the vet as well? Do you think he's having anxiety attacks when he's sleeping to cause the pee issues? I've just never heard of a dog doing this. Do I need to put one of the diffusers in every room or just the main areas that he is in? -
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 9:08 AMOnly the room he spends the most time in. Here's a link to it. www.petvetdirect.com/home.asp
and one to the "consult guide" that comes with it. "House soiling is one of the issues they list.
www.vpl.com/product_info...e_02-1438.pdf
You could ask your vet if they have it. I know that when little kids wet the bed one of the things they say it has something to do with is stress. I know you think he's accustomed to everything, but it may just be getting to him.
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 10:44 AMI had one time when one of my dogs (now passed) that peed in his sleep. I took him in to to vet thinking he may be sick or something and she didnt find anything. this only happened once ... I asked her if he could have been dreaming and she said that normaly doesent happen in dogs like it may with a child. I dont have any answers for you but I would be worried if I were you. Oh poor Rocky I hope he feels better soon, I would imagine it would be strange for an anxiety attack while he is sleeping because I believe that animals are not like humans in that way. But there again I dont know that first hand. Keep us informed I am curious if you find the reasoning, the meds they have him on sound yukky I hope the problem can be figured out so he doesnt need the meds much longer.
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 11:13 AMMy friends dog had that happened and it turned out to be incontinence and she is on DES. It is most common in female dogs. Her dog was peeping in her sleep and her second dog just starting leaking. The complex name is Diethylstilbesterol. She only gives it twice a week, but every dog is different.
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 12:04 PMHow do they test for DES? Most urinary issues I have read about are in female dogs, so my boy has me very concerned. I know that he can still be stressed by something, but I don't know how to figure out what it is to fix it. He has always been in a multiple pet household, so I hope that is not the problem. I've never had a dog with so many issues. He's such a good boy too. Follows me everywhere, never leaves my side. I just hate not to know how to help him.
The meds he's on have really really helped. We recently tried to reduce his dose in hopes of weening him off them, but then the peeing thing started again. I'm just so frustrated! I know so many people that barely care for their pets. Mine are like my children and I just can't seem to get to the root of his problem. I guess he's lucky to be mine since most people wouldn't have done as much to correct his issue. I just feel like there's something I'm missing and it's driving me crazy. -
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 12:19 PMOh damn. Youre going to force me to ask someone from one of my dog lists that I am angry with. She's pissed me off, but she knows quite a bit about dogs since she's run a sacutary for small dogs and has this kind of thing come up all the time.
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 2:37 PMFrom the woman who runs the sanctuary:
"is he neutered? if not his prostate could be the problem." -
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 3:41 PMOops, yes. I should have mentioned that. He was neutered at 6 months old.
Sorry to make you talk to someone you're unhappy with! I really appreciate it though. Thank you so much. I am just at my wit's end here.
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Wed, June 13, 2007 - 1:26 PMYou can also just ask your vet about incontince. It happens in Human males, so I would assume it could happen to canine males too. Especially when my friend told me her dogs problems were happing in their sleep. Uneducated guess, sounds like some bladder controle issues. Good luck, let us all know how it turns out.
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Re: So frustrated! Pee issues.
Thu, June 14, 2007 - 7:16 AMI recommend chiropractic adjustments. This has been SO successful in every dog I have had with incontinence issues. I would bet money that it will help. I do not think his anxiety is causing this. Chiro ajustments are relatively cheap after the intitial visit and work wonders, and they can help with anxiety too. Do your homework when choosing a practitioner. I didn't look where you live, but you can usually find someone in your area (www.ahvma.org to find one). Good luck. -
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 7:51 AMI have never heard of animal chiropractors, good to know! Can they help with barking issues? -
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Thu, June 14, 2007 - 8:13 AMI saw a special on chiropractors and dogs and people claimed their dogs were calm for at least a week after an adjustment and it helped correct all sorts of behaviour issues. It's very interesting.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 8:20 AMUpdate: I talked to Rocky's new vet. His old vet had to relocate to Texas because of her husband's new job. I really like the new vet though too. She was so helpful and actually talked to me about the issues and didn't make me bring him in. I hate when the response is always "bring him in and we'll do some more tests." I was so impressed that she was willing to discuss it all with me without charging for an office visit. He's been there plenty, believe me.
Anywho, my vet agrees that his anxiety and his urinary issues are probably separate problems. It makes sense to me now that I think about it. Right before I put him on the fluoxetine, he would sometimes be standing in a room, looking at me, and suddenly start peeing. He would get this shocked look on his face, like he honestly had no idea he was about to go potty and it surprised him. Then, he'd panic and run thru the house terrified, peeing the whole time. I thought he was peeing because of anxiety. I now think that he probably has a weak sphincter and when he realized that he was peeing in the house his anxiety kicked in since he knows that is not allowed. I wish I would have realized this earlier. It really explains a lot. If only he could tell me what was going on!
We are trying phenylpropanolomine for 4 weeks to see if it makes a difference. I hate to have him on any more meds, but if he has a weak sphincter, it is necessary. I asked about having him tested first, but the test is about $1000 and if it comes back positive, he'd just be put on this medicine anyway. I feel so awful for my poor guy. I've never had a dog with so many issues. I talked to a good friend of mine at the aspca last night and she made me feel much better about all the meds. Sometimes things can't be cured naturally and he is very lucky that veterinary science has come up with these meds to help him be happy.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 8:45 AMFingers crossed. Meanwhile, try the DAP and see if it helps with his anxiety. Also, I don't know if you've considered it, but i know a lot of dogs who wear "belly bands." They are mostly puppymill survivors, a life in a tiny cage makes them near impossible to potty train. it's like a cumberbund with a place to insert an absorbant pad. If nothing else, it would keep him and his crate mate from sleeping in pee. -
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 8:58 AMI've also heard good things about "rescue remedy" which is put in your pup's water, they drink it, and it helps calm them. It's also recommended for people and not just dogs.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 9:13 AMI will have to look into that. I read the page you posted and it seems interesting, like it could be used in addition if there were a more stressful situation going on. I hate when something is going on that is stressing him out but is unavoidable. Like a family gathering or something. I could definitely see this helping with that. I can't give it to him in the regular water dish since all 4 dogs and both cats drink from the same dish. It's like the watering hole. :)
That's crazy that it's for people too. Rocky and I can have little remedy cocktails together after a stressful day. LOL -
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 10:34 AM>>That's crazy that it's for people too. Rocky and I can have little remedy cocktails together after a stressful day. LOL<<
Yeah, I've actually known some people who've used it and recommend it - worth a shot, I guess!
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 12:29 PMI know a few dogs who really need it around the 4th of July and New Years eve.
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Sun, July 15, 2007 - 6:51 PMThe Rescue Remedy is fine to put in the communal water bowl. It will only help. I use it in my water bowl too, and I have 3 cats and 7 dogs.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 1:45 PMI use rescue remedy alot - they call it 'yoga in a bottle' I have found it to work well for my dogs and me. You can dap a little on the tips of your pets ears and on their chest (just a small amout - animals re more sensitive than us) . I buy mine from
www.bachflower.com/Pets.htm
but sometimes you can find them at 'co-op' type of shops. its worth a try to help with the calming for both of you, your dog may also be picking up on your emotions and reacting to them. Its sort of a circle your dog pees unknowingly - you feel bad - your dog picks up on it and panics- you feel more bad - and so on and so on....
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Thu, July 12, 2007 - 2:03 PMPoor Rocky! I would think that his anxiety level would be somewhat diminished being on the fluoxetine. Well, at least that's how it worked for me....exit depression, exit anxiety. Putting him on Valium for a little while might help. That's what my vet did to my lab when he was anxious. I felt terrible watching my lab bump into walls for a few weeks but he adjusted. Your vet could also switch the antidepressants around and perhaps prescribe a more sedating one, like Remeron or Serzone. Rocky would get sleepy but at least his anxiety level would be reduced.
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 9:02 AMI'm going to look into the DAP as well. Maybe that could help lower his fluoxetine dose at some point. I really don't have much hope of him ever being off of it. He is just very very anxious and this really does help a ton.
I've heard of the belly bands, but aren't they mostly for dogs that aren't housetrained or unneutered males? Rocky is totally house trained, he just pees when he's asleep which leads me to think it's his sphincter that is at fault. What do you think? -
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Fri, June 15, 2007 - 9:10 AMThe woman who runs the sanctuary has a lot of senior dogs (it's a retirement home) and she's had lots of dogs with incontinence due to age.
it could be his sphincter, but if it takes the pills a while or they don't work out, then you could put the band on him only when he's crated. I know it's almost always harder on the owner when their dog is housebroken and soils the house, because it upsets the dog so much in those cases.
.. and I've known people who peed from fear.
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